This. The mach isn't OP, it's just good at its role. It will never come close to being the brawler that the vindi is, nor will it ever be the support beast that is the bhaal, or the piece of overtanked **** that is the rattlesnake..?

The reason people think the mach is OP is mostly that its niche is a rather large one, as hit and run pvp is one of the main ways to pewpew in this game, and because of how it flies it's worth risking more isk in it, since it's harder to catch and kill.

EDIT: Also please fix the phantasm CCP.

EDIT AGAIN: Some more cap and an extra turret would be nice.

Maybe the answer is to do something truly revolutionary with the Sansha ships:
- Role: 100% cap use
- Caldari: 30%/lvl damage
- Amarr: 7.5% tracking/lvl

I dunno, the ship obviously needs something. And I'm not at all opposed to the current Phantasm with a covops bonus. ;-)

-Liang

Nightmare is very good,

That was almost certainly me. heh

Can anyone explain why the Succubus, Phantasm and Nightmare have so much greater shield recharge times than the other pirate ships? It was clearly done on purpose.

Succubus: 910s
Other pirate frigates: 625s

Phantasm: 2082s
Other pirate cruisers: 1250s

Nightmare: 2673s
Other pirate battleships: 2500s

We have some plans regarding the Pirate Ships, but our schedule doesn't have room for them on Rubicon though.

Remove the drones and add smartbomb bonuses. :D

i cant believe there is 19 pages about this

If anything I would say its because they lack some of the rather major tracking and range bonuses the gallente get (37.5% to both, unstacking penalized, and a free t2 DLA on the ishtar). If you try to get the same out of a gila, along with a shield tank, you start having cpu issues. And before the ishtar got rebalanced, it has SERIOUS cpu issues. The bonuses practically make the ishtar a better shield tanker than the gila.

Never eliminate shield sig bloom.

They are already have significant differentiators. In addition to shield vs armor, the ishtar is skewed more towards tanking on its t2 resists compared to the omnitank bonus and all-around better hp of the gila. The gila also gets supplemental dps from missiles vs the ishtar's superior projection and range. Gila also has a better drone bay but a much worse cargobay, and much worse targeting range.

Whats the point of having a tracking buff on a frigate?

No, not realy.

When the tracking of small guns would be that bad you would not be able to hit anything while using a MWD or flying an Interceptor.

Then simply dont.

Allthoug it is kind of off topic but when you cant handle the transversal either slow down or dont use long range weaponry in closerange combat.

I have jet to see how the AB bonus works but this can make the succubus an interesting interceptor like vessel allthough we have already some pretty good interceptors called ... well ... interceptors.

But a tracking bonus might be a powerfull ability for a battleship, on a frigate you hardly face an opponent that makes this even remotely as powerfull as it is on a battleship. Matter of fact, I have jet to find a target I cant hit in a propperly fittet (i.e. no Railguns without tracking mod) frigate even without tracking bonus.

Well, a tracking bonus for railguns or artillery actually would make sense because out of all the longrange weapons lasers have already the best tracking, hence why you "can" (already) use small beam lasers without tracking mods but "need" to use some on Arty fitts. And even then it is because of range.

A Wolf has, with All V less tracking with artillery than any unbonused beam fitting.


Just saying, out of all the possible boni ingame, a tracking bonus is the least useable on a frigate that already uses the best tracking "longrange" weapons.

It is, but not in english :P


Anyway, when you go for shortrange engagements dont fit longrange weapons and yes, there is such a thing like having to much tracking.

Speaking of the Cruor, when they give the same bonus to the Bhaalgorn, the Bhaalgorn will be totaly OP.

I am talking about the...

"Energy Vampires operate as though your capacitor is empty"

Bonus.

Why wouldn't you want an AB bonus? It doesn't lose anything for it, and allows a beastly sig tank.

The problem with the 100MN AB fit is that with the 100% speed bonus you're getting ~2701 m/s without links or implants (according to CCP Rise) which sounds really nice except that keep in mind you will have no agility to speak of. I can't remember if they changed the Phantasm's agility in the F&I thread but with its current stats it has an align time of over 37 seconds with max skills and without anything other than the AB fit to it. So both of these stats can be improved.

The issue is that at that speed with agility that bad it will be a nightmare trying to stay in point/gun range. I was a big fan of the 100MN Oracle before its agility was nerfed but that because large pulses with scorch have optimal over 50 km making it possible to hold damage on target. I'm, shall we say, less than convinced that it will be easy to prevent people using your overshoot to break point range.

I think the better option would be the 10MN fit with snakes and/or skirmish links as all you're getting there is a big move in the right direction for your critical damage mitigation ratio of speed to signature.

TBH anything is better than the current PVP status of the nightmare.

Mach can project any damage type without cap, has better alpha, and goes faster.

But even a vindi with 425mm can project damage better than a NM.

Then you add a full set of sentry drones which the vindi can carry and you get a completely better sniping boat.




The ONLY reason to use a nightmare is because of incursions, and that is only because their damage types are good against sansha rats. Otherwise they would be worthless for that too.